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Buyer Beware

What you may not want to buy  ... and other conflicting information, you may not want to know about?

"No education comes without effort and frustration ... not of the 'knowing' but, of the grappling with conflicting information."

 

These Links are all on this page: (below)

Price is King     Lumber Yard Pine     Prefinished Pine     Traditional White Pine and Yellow Pine

Wide Plank Pine over 12"     River Salvage: Waterlogs, Deadheads, Beachcomber Pine     Barnboard Pine

Wall Board 'Pine'      Imported Woods     Hardwood

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Do-it-Yourselfer: Roger in Ayr, Ontario

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Why RED Pine?

 

New Knotty Pine Flooring ... Red Pine Flooring ... enhances classic decor styles, from Antiques to Stainless.

 

Red Pine has reddish knots and a more rhythmic grain than White Pine but, more importantly, with a rating of ~1575 (J) on the Janka Hardness Rating Scale (J) For Wood Flooring Species. Northern Ontario Red Pine is approximately four times (~ 4X) more dense and harder than Northern or Eastern White Pine(s) which has a rating of ~380 (J).

If you desire Investment Grade flooring that appreciates in value and is both beautiful and livable, you may be well advised — in my biased and knowledgeable opinion — to be aware of products I do NOT recommend....

 

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"Price is King" ... When "Price-is-King", you may be shopping for short-term gain ... be cautious about Wide Plank flooring material (of any kind) that is of mixed species and/or inconsistent widths. Substandard Grades, Air Dried, V-Joint (top edges), and 'unpredictable storage', etc. as these are just a few items "you will eventually pay for" with regret.

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When "Price-is-King", you may be shopping for short-term gain ... be cautious about Wide Plank flooring material (of any kind) that is of mixed species and/or inconsistent widths. Substandard Grades, Air Dried, V-Joint (top edges), and 'unpredictable storage', etc. as these are just a few items "you will eventually pay for" with regret.

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Substandard materials will cause "a problem floor" in an otherwise valuable property ... 'substandard' products are sold everywhere by 'trusted' Commodity-Oriented Resellers For example, walk into a "Big Box" store and locate "Canada Grade "A"-Select 2"X4" Spruce lumber and 'experience' disappointment and disbelief that such substandard product can be STAMPED with a "Mill Rating" of Canada: Grade "A"-Select. It is sloppiness in sourcing and retailing, plain and simple.  Price is King.

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Now, try buying Northern Ontario Wideplank Red Pine from these same Commodity-Oriented Retainers and you will have to by 1,000 lf. at a time — regardless of the quality — even if you are short one board to complete your project.

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My internationally recognized "Mill-Direct" Premium Knotty Red Pine beats them all, 'hands-down' on quality and consistency. I also offer increasing levels of Value-Added Products in my "Merchant", "Select" and "Premium" Qualities to suite your particular requirements.

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"Lumber Yard Pine" .... Common lumber retailers know that "Price is King" ... lumber sold by them for flooring is just another commodity, period.  Flooring lumber is not treated as a climate-sensitive building component and is generally sold Air Dried to ~ 14% and stored in damp, cold outdoor sheds. Or worse, supposedly Kiln-Dried to 6% which is too dry and causes 'expansion' to become unstable and rise — buckling — in our generally humid climate. 6% humidity is only used for furniture components and even then, only for 'floating' door panels. In addition, retailers are not at all knowledgeable when it comes to understanding the vast differences between Eastern White Pine Flooring, New Brunswick Red Pine and Northern Ontario Red Pine Flooring product.

Northern Ontario WidePlank is the unique product of its harsh environment ... at thirty-two (32) growth rings per inch (slow growth) of thickness, it is hardy and durable ... retailers, generally, buy on price alone and do not care to know the difference. Sustainable Forest and Harvesting Consistency is not usually of any consideration because Price is King.

 

Notable Quotes

 

"Our multi-million dollar kilning and milling operation has been in my family for generations (since 1901) and I have not seen anything like what you (Jesse Lance) do with Red Pine ... I refer 'to what you guys are doing in Canada' to my international customers in England, Sweden, Japan and China .... It is my pleasure to supply your high quality specifications. Isn't our 12" spectacular?"

Note: My Red Pine supplier uses Northern Ontario Red Pine exclusively (as I do) and is 'world-renowned' for Kiln-Drying Red Pine to 8–10% without 'Chaffing' and is a able to top the 'quality' of Swedish Red Pine in Sweden. ... that is a major feat.

(Suppliers, like those supplying Pineflooring.ca, exhibit Canadian product and ingenuity, proven over time..)

 

"Being a carpenter by trade, I long ago knew about the hardness and durability of red pine."

 

* Note: You can 'prove' Kiln-Dried lumber simply by looking for bluish 'gum' at the end of an uncut length of kiln-dried lumber ... unlike 'weathered wood', this bluish gum is, in fact, Kiln-Pitch (Gum forced out of wood by 'baking' in a kiln for seven (7) to ten (10) days depending on the species). Secondly; the presence of Kiln-Pitch does not guarantee proper Kiln Dried lumber for flooring use as most common lumber retailers store the wood outdoors in damp and cold sheds, as mentioned, and the wood simply retreats to "Air-Dried", or worse, it expands naturally beyond 14% humidity while in improper storage conditions. So, are retailers not being truthful when they insist their product is Kiln-Dried?

 
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Wide plank flooring lumber must be winter cut, shipped, air dried (two years) then kiln-dried (~8–10%), milled, stored, handled, installed, and finished in a knowledgeable fashion ... "a quality-controlled environment".

Retail lumber yards "break every rule in the book" ... not because they are 'dishonest' but, because they are not attuned to climate-sensitive flooring product, storage or handling.  You may well end up with a 'problem floor' and the retailer will 'rightly' deny all responsibility for "whatever you did with the lumber after you accepted delivery".

But, we 'feel' for suppliers of all calibre because, Pineflooring.ca has also been 'questioned' ... in cases where DIY knowledge and skill are innocently lacking. For instance, it is incorrect to say that 'gaps' are caused by shrinkage (upon delivery and immediate installation) because that is not the case as the wood I supply has been properly kiln dried, held in controlled storage and delivered to the project promptly and in prime condition ... That is my specialty.  Upon receiving my wideplank Red Pine it must be stored under normal indoor conditions for as short a period of time as possible or, better yet, installed immediately. Admittedly, major 'gaps' between wideplank boards can occur because of an uneven subfloor and/or improper installation by installers.

 

Doing it Right.

 

In addition to Complimentary Online/Fax Quotations, Marreed-Prestman offers a No Obligation Fee-Based On-Site Inspection, Assessment and Quotation Service ... I visit your job site and assess 'job issues', your requirements, options, methods, budget and 'vision' ... you take advantage of my knowledge and expertise. Whether you Do-it-Yourself or have me install and finish or you hire a local contractor, my On-Site Consultations will inevitably save you Space, Time, Money, and Frustration. Half (50%) of my On-Site Consultation Service Fee is credited to either Value Package, Full Installation or DIY: Do-it-Yourself/Contractor Lumber Supply order. Lastly, "Telephone Advisory Guidance" is available — based on my years of experience and expertise — whether you purchased your flooring from Marreed-Prestman or, not. Unlimited "Telephone Advisory Guidance" is available thru job completion. From the selection of wood to finishing products and technique and, of course, assurance that you avoid major problems associated with jack posts, subfloors, and the like. We arrange a time for you to call and I answer your questions while your project is underway and as a "back-up" if you have any questions thereafter.

 

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Prefinished Pine 1 — prefinished wood flooring of any species or quality — is not recommended when you live with "kids and dogs" as prefinished wood flooring topcoats are "micro sprayed" soooo-very-thinly, that it dries instantly under UVLight ... Topcoats may sprayed a dozen or more times but it is none-the-less "Thin Skinned" compared to my Onsite 2X-Floodcoats ... prefinished flooring scratches and scuffs easily and it overexposes scratches and dents. Prefinished Wideplank is usually only available in White Pine in Four (4") and Six (6") widths with a dirt-catching V-groove along the sides of each board. I offer Solid-Face (no V-groove) Wideplank for Six (6"), Eight (8"), Ten (10") and twelve (12") Wideplank Red Pine with On-Site Finishing. Lastly, All prefinished wood flooring is high-maintenance and difficult, if not impossible, to repair or have refinished.

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Prefinished Pine 2 — prefinished wood flooring of any species or quality — is not recommended because with Prefinished can not be sanded 'level' — board-to-board — when there is slight but, ever-present, unevenness in all subfloors. The unevenness in the subfloor will 'float' to the surface ... your Prefinished floor will look 'wrinkled' in daylight and feel uneven when you walk over it ... I hasten to add that Prefinished wood has a "V-Groove" on the top edge surface — between the boards — in an effort to 'compensate' for uneven subfloors but, the "V-Groove" is a nuisance to clean whether you sweep or vacuum. (Note: Retailers will deny that their 'Micro-Groove is a nuisance ... but, they will not volunteer to wipe up spilt milk or baby food ... try it.)

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Prefinished Pine 3 — prefinished wood flooring of any species or quality — is not recommended because it is 'impossible' to install without scuffing, scratching or denting during the installation process ... try it.

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Notable Quote

"I wanted real wood but, you see shiny "hardwoods" everywhere, dogs 'destroy' them and they don't have 'warmth' ... your Red Pine flooring is an investment ... perfect for me and my pooch."

In addition, Pre-Finished is usually available only in 6" and not the wider widths because, top coating one side of the wood causes wideplank to 'shrink' on the top (cup) quickly ... so, if you buy it, buy it 'fresh' from the Kiln and lay it immediately.

Note: Some Retailers offer a "Touch-up Kits" with each installation?  But, Prefinished Flooring "touch-up" will usually show damage to the naked eye ... try it.

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Traditional White Pine(s) and Yellow Pine(s) are not recommended because they are soft (even when professionally finished using 'Diamond-Tough' Resin Floodcoats). See: Janka Rating for Wood Hardness Northern Ontario Red Pine is rated ~ 1575, Eastern Canadian White Pine is rated ~ 380.

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Wide Plank Pine over twelve inches (12"+) inches in width is not recommended because it is not available in RED ... it is only available in common pines which, as stated, are too soft for active lifestyles.

Note: Northern Ontario RED Pine over twelve inches (12"+) inches in width is milled as prized timber (only) and reserved for high-end timbre construction in Europe, Asia and Japan. As such, Northern Ontario Red Pine over 12" wide is not likely milled for flooring in Canada. But, if it were available and 'proven', I would have it.

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NOT sold by www.pineflooring.caRiver Salvage: Waterlogged, Deadheads, Beachcomber 'Pine' reclaimed pine flooring and, so-called, Antique Pine Flooring is not recommended because it is not 'Pine' as it is often claimed to be ... it is a mix of species that include the softer White Pine, as well as, 'lost woods' and 'cast-offs' that are not necessarily 'Pine' and are not compatible in quality and hardness. River Salvage companies proclaim ~ 6% humidity (no shrinkage) which is misleading because wood will naturally acclimatizes itself to its environment which is (for wood) ~ 8-10 humidity under normal circumstances.  Being too dry, Waterlogged Lumber is "Brittle Wood' (prone to Chaffing)... 'inflexible' — where flexibility is absolutely necessary — firstly, for proper installations and secondly, to accommodate seasonal changes in humidity and heat.

Brittle Wood has its place" as baseboards, window frames and in furniture building but, as wideplank flooring, it is infamous for cracking, blistering (chaffing) and splintering. Lastly, Brittle Wood can not be used below grade or in unwinterized buildings.

 

Misleading?

People who are Ecologically Conscious or, simply, dislike myths and half-truths may develop a 'pet peeve' about Waterlog Salvaged Wood – as I have – simply because it is not the 'honest' eco-friendly product it is claimed to be. Waterlogs are recovered through shallow diving operations in sensitive waterfront areas. Other 'waterlogs' are not from the water at all ... they are obtained from abandoned sites and mixed in under the 'Historic Woods' marketing banner and commonly sold at prices upward of $ 10.00 sf., plus ... delivery, installation, finishing and taxes.

The "Eco-Friendly" Floor?

Some companies go so far as to claim their salvaged product is 'Green' because they do not cut down a living tree but, that does not eliminate their Environmental Footprint. River Salvage entails shallow water navigation, spiking, chaining and winching to 'suck' logs out of the depths of mud and up to the water surface. Logs are towed atop open water and skidded through 'wilderness' shorelines to makeshift truck loading depots. It is a matter of public record that such 'harvesting' infuriates cottagers and waterfront residents alike ... especially, when it is done — legally — on their pristine doorsteps. In my opinion, Waterlogs and Deadheads have a rightful place in sustaining the eco-systems ... and old fashioned logistics dictates that powerboats, draglines and skidding chains do not enhance or 'clean-up' our environment.

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Barnboard 'Pine', is not recommended because it is not usually milled by professional mills and it seldom meets "building code" ... use it for decor only and only after applying a 'fire-retardant' (as may be required to meet your building code and insurance requirements) for indoor wall applications".

 

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Wall & Ceiling Board 'Pine', is not recommended for flooring because it is not milled, graded or kilned for flooring. Wallboard and Ceiling 'paneling' is easily identified by a 1/16" bevel cut into the Top-Side edge of every board to form a "V-Groove" upon installation. The "V-Groove" allows ease of installation on 'uneven' walls and offers a 'rustic' feel in a room. Secondly, and tragically, Unfinished Wall & Ceiling Board with a 1/16" bevel (used as flooring) can not be Professionally sanded, stained or TopCoat FloodCoat Finished. Lastly, where the boards do not have Bottom-Side Anti-Cup Grooves, the boards must not be 'reversed/turned over' to create a flat surface thus 'eliminating' the "V-Groove" ... without a shockingly costly replacement of the floor — in the near future — with the correct materials which would have been used, by an informed Client, in the first place.

 

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Imported Woods, and particularly, Asian, Russian and South American flooring is high risk for North American consumers. These woods appeal to buyers based on Bamboozle ... 'exclusivity' and 'eco-friendly' but, these products are not 'recognized', 'rated' or 'regulated' by any North American (hardwood or softwood) Industry Association ... when an imported wood floor becomes a 'problem floor' consumers seem to have little effective legal recourse. According to lawyers who represent 'disgruntled' clients and contact me for 'help', I am told, it is a big problem.

 

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Hardwood  

These are the facts you must know when buying wide plank Red Pine flooring — in comparison to any hardwood flooring — as follows:

1) Hardwood is seldom "real" any more ... it's medium density fibreboard (MDF), Engineered Wood or Stripped (laminated) flooring (chipboard) with a veneer top layer ... They all Gas-Off forever!

Strip Hardwood Flooring "ripples" in the sunlight because it warps.)

 

Strip Hardwood flooring has a 3mm veneer top layer, the base of the 'board' may be 12mm MDF or 'engineered' wood which denies the hardwood the ability to be refinished. Quality hardwood is solid wood but, it will expose every ding, dent and scratch and may need to be refinished three or four times over its lifetime. That is inconvenient, costly and poor value. That is not the case with my artistically-distressed solid wide plank Red Pine flooring.

 

2) Hardwood (topcoats) must be sanded down to the bare wood so that the grouting (filler between the boards) can be removed and replaced before that kind of floor can be refinished ... again, it is inconvenient, time-consuming and costly. That is not the case with my artistically-distressed solid Red Pine flooring ... there is no grouting involved ... therefore, should you ever choose to refinish a Marreed-Prestman floor, only the sheen of the 'Diamond-Finish' need be hand-sanded prior to refinishing.

 

3) Most common hardwood is pre-finished with 'umpteen' coats of a NANO (micro-thin spray  resin and UVL cured). Each spray-coat is so fine that one could not spray their hair with hairspray as fine. These coatings are cured within seconds under ultraviolet light (UVL) before going through another instant-coating. (Great for manufacturers, not great for consumers.) All-in-all, ten (10) coats of a UV-cured finish = .006 mil which is only 10% of my multiple on-site flood-coats of 'Diamond-Tough'. Lastly, and most importantly, Epoxy-Cured Resin finishes are about half as hard and durable as Aluminum-Oxide Cured Resin (we use the latter exclusively).

 

4) Hardwood flooring may need to be refinished every ten years — if you are particular — whereas a Marreed-Prestman floor may never need doing ... scratches, dings and dents that accumulate over the years simply add to 'the beauty and value' of my 'Old World' flooring"

 

Local Installation and DIY: Do-It-Yourself Skills?

A Do-It-Yourselfer must have the knowledge, skill and 'building experience' or the willingness to hire local skilled labour for floor preparation, wide plank installation and resin finishing ... proper installation and finishing is serious business when you are contemplating "building on a vision".

Goodwill Guarantee

A. Marreed & D. Prestman 'Distressed' Red Pine Flooring Inc. guarantees each and every new floor that we install against DEFECT in materials and workmanship for as long as you own your floor* (non-transferable) provided contract terms are fulfilled.

The 'Authority' of PineFlooring.ca

PineFlooring.ca has been referred to by lawyers and consumers as "An Authority" by 'connecting' my knowledge and experience (as illustrated within this website) to further their legal cases in "Ontario Small Claims Court" in support of their 'Flooring Battles' with commodity-oriented retailers, unresponsive builders and schlock contractors. With all due respect, Marreed-Prestman — PineFlooring.ca — is not intended or represented as The 'Authority' for the wood industry nor, for disenchanted consumers. PineFlooring.ca is intended to fulfill my goal of educating and entertaining Pine Lovers and securing the 'sale' of handcrafted and authentic wideplank wood floors ... for a knowledgeable and appreciative audience.

I hope you are entertained and informed?

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