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Buyer Beware
What you may not want
to buy
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and other conflicting information, you may not want to know about?
"No education comes without
distress ... not of the 'knowing' but, of the grappling with conflicting information."
These Links are all on
this page: (below)
Price is King
Lumber Yard Pine
Prefinished Pine
Traditional White Pine and Yellow Pine
Wide Plank Pine over
12"
River
Salvage: Waterlogs, Deadheads, Beachcomber Pine Barnboard Pine
Wall Board 'Pine'
Imported Woods
Hardwood

Experience "The JOY of a Job Well Done".
Do-it-Yourselfer: Roger in Ayr, Ontario
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Why RED
Pine?
New Knotty Pine Flooring
... Red Pine Flooring
...
enhances classic decor styles, from Antiques to Stainless.
Red Pine has reddish knots and a
more vibrant grain than White Pine but, more importantly, with a rating
of ~1575 (J) on the
Janka
Hardness Rating Scale (J) For Wood Flooring Species. Northern
Ontario Red Pine is approximately four times (~ 4X) more dense
and harder than Northern or Eastern White
Pine(s) which has a rating of ~380 (J).
If you desire
Investment Grade flooring
that appreciates in value and is
both beautiful and livable, you may be well advised — in my
biased and knowledgeable opinion — to be aware of products I do NOT recommend....
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"Price
is King" ... When "Price-is-King", you may be shopping for
short-term gain ... be cautious about Wide Plank flooring material (of any kind) that is of
mixed species and/or inconsistent widths. Substandard
Grades, Air Dried, V-Joint (top edges), and 'unpredictable storage', etc. as
these are just a few items "you will eventually pay for" with regret.
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When "Price-is-King", you may be shopping for
short-term gain ... be cautious about Wide Plank flooring material (of any kind) that is of
mixed species and/or inconsistent widths. Substandard
Grades, Air Dried, V-Joint (top edges), and 'unpredictable storage', etc. as
these are just a few items "you will eventually pay for" with regret.
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Substandard materials will cause
"a problem floor" in an otherwise valuable property ... 'substandard' products
are sold everywhere by 'trusted' Commodity-Oriented
Resellers. For example, walk into a "Big Box" store and locate
"Canada Grade "A"-Select 2"X4" Spruce lumber and 'experience' disappointment
and disbelief that such substandard product can be STAMPED with a "Mill
Rating" of Canada: Grade "A"-Select.
It is sloppiness in sourcing and retailing, plain and simple.
Price is King.
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Now, try buying Northern Ontario Wideplank Red Pine from these same
Commodity-Oriented Retainers and you will have to by 1,000 lf. at a time —
regardless of the quality — even if you are short one board to complete your
project.
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My
internationally recognized "Mill Direct" Premium Knotty Red Pine beats them all, 'hands-down' on quality
and consistency.
I also offer increasing levels of Value-Added Products in my
"Merchant", "Select" and "Premium" Qualities
to suite your particular requirements.
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"Lumber Yard Pine"
.... Common lumber retailers know that "Price is King"
... lumber
sold by them for flooring is just another commodity, period.
Flooring lumber is not
treated as a climate-sensitive building component and is generally sold Air Dried to
~ 14% and stored in damp, cold outdoor sheds. Or worse, supposedly Kiln-Dried
to 6% which is too dry and causes 'expansion' to become unstable and rise —
buckling — in our generally humid climate. 6% humidity is only used for
furniture components and even then, only for 'floating' door panels. In addition, retailers are not
at all knowledgeable when it comes to understanding the vast differences between
Eastern White Pine
Flooring, New Brunswick Red Pine and Northern Ontario Red Pine
Flooring product.
Northern Ontario WidePlank is the unique product
of its harsh environment ... at thirty-two (32) growth rings per inch (slow
growth) of thickness, it is hardy and durable ... retailers, generally, buy on
price alone and do not care to know the difference. Sustainable Forest and
Harvesting Consistency is not usually of any consideration because
Price is King.
Notable Quotes
"Our multi-million dollar kilning and milling
operation has been in my family for generations (since 1901) and I have not
seen anything
like what you (Jesse Lance) do with Red Pine ... I refer
'to what you guys are doing in Canada' to my international customers in England, Sweden, Japan and
China .... It is my pleasure to supply your high quality specifications.
Isn't our 12" spectacular?"
Note: My Red Pine supplier uses
Northern Ontario Red Pine exclusively (as I do) and is 'world-renowned' for
Kiln-Drying Red Pine to 8–10% without 'Chaffing' and is a able to top
the 'quality' of Swedish Red Pine
in Sweden. ... that is a major feat.
(Suppliers, like those supplying
Pineflooring.ca, exhibit
Canadian product and ingenuity, proven over time..)
"Being a carpenter
by trade, I long ago knew about the hardness and durability of red pine."
* Note: You can 'prove' Kiln-Dried lumber
simply by looking for bluish 'gum' at the end of an uncut length of kiln-dried
lumber ...
unlike 'weathered wood', this bluish gum is, in fact, Kiln-Pitch (Gum
forced out of wood by 'baking' in a kiln for seven (7) to ten (10) days depending
on the species). Secondly; the presence of
Kiln-Pitch does not guarantee proper
Kiln Dried lumber for flooring use
as most common lumber retailers store the wood outdoors in damp and cold
sheds, as mentioned, and the wood simply retreats to "Air-Dried", or worse, it
expands naturally beyond 14% humidity while in improper storage conditions.
So, are retailers not being truthful when they insist their product is Kiln-Dried?
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Wide plank
flooring lumber must be
winter
cut, shipped, air dried (two years) then kiln-dried (~8–10%), milled, stored,
handled, installed, and finished in a knowledgeable fashion ... "a quality-controlled environment".
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Retail lumber yards "break every rule
in the book" ... not because they are 'dishonest' but, because
they are not attuned to climate-sensitive flooring product, storage or handling. You
may well end up with a 'problem floor' and the retailer will
'rightly' deny all
responsibility for "whatever you did
with the lumber after you accepted delivery".
But, we 'feel' for suppliers of all calibre because, Pineflooring.ca
has also been 'questioned' ... in cases where
DIY knowledge and skill are innocently lacking. For instance,
it is incorrect to say that 'gaps' are caused by shrinkage (upon delivery and
immediate installation) because that is not the case as the wood I supply has
been properly kiln dried, held in controlled storage and delivered to the project promptly
and in prime condition ... That is my specialty.
Upon receiving my wideplank Red Pine it must be stored under normal indoor conditions
for as short a period of time as possible
or, better yet, installed immediately. Admittedly, major 'gaps' between
wideplank boards can occur because of an uneven subfloor and/or improper
installation by installers.
Doing it Right.
In addition to
Complimentary Online/Fax Quotations, Marreed-Prestman offers a No Obligation
Fee-Based On-Site Inspection,
Assessment and Quotation Service ... I visit your job site and assess 'job
issues', your requirements, options, methods, budget and 'vision' ... you take
advantage of my knowledge and expertise. Whether you Do-it-Yourself or have me
install and finish or, perhaps, hire a local contractor, my On-Site
Consultations will inevitably save you Space, Time, Money and Frustration.
Half (50%) of my On-Site Consultation Service Fee is credited to either your Full
Installation job or your DIY: Do it Yourself/Contractor Lumber Supply order.
Lastly, "Telephone Advisory Guidance" is available — based on my years of
experience and expertise — whether you purchased your flooring from
Marreed-Prestman or, not. Unlimited "Telephone Advisory Guidance" is available
thru job completion and beyond. From the selection of wood to finishing products and
technique and, of course, assurance that you avoid major problems associated
with jack posts, subfloors, and the like. We arrange a time for you to call me
and I answer your questions while your project is underway and as a "back-up" if
you have any 'complications', thereafter.
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Prefinished Pine
1
— prefinished wood flooring of any species or quality — is not recommended when you live with "kids and dogs" as prefinished wood
flooring topcoats are "micro sprayed" soooo-very-thinly, that it dries instantly under UVLight ...
Topcoats may sprayed a dozen or more times but it is none-the-less "Thin
Skinned" compared to my Onsite 2X-Floodcoats ... prefinished flooring scratches and scuffs
easily
and it overexposes scratches and dents. Prefinished Wideplank is usually only
available in White Pine
in Four (4") and Six (6") widths with a dirt-catching V-groove along the
sides of each board. I offer Solid-Face (no V-groove) Wideplank for Six (6"), Eight (8"), Ten (10")
and twelve (12") Wideplank Red Pine with On-Site Finishing. Lastly, All prefinished
wood flooring is high-maintenance and difficult, if not impossible, to
repair or have refinished.
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Prefinished Pine 2
— prefinished wood flooring of any species or quality — is not recommended
because with Prefinished can not be sanded 'level' — board-to-board — when
there is slight but, ever-present, unevenness in all subfloors. The unevenness in the
subfloor will
'float' to the surface ... your Prefinished floor will look 'wrinkled' in daylight and
feel uneven when you walk over it ... I hasten to add that Prefinished wood
has a "V-Groove" on the top edge surface — between the boards — in an effort to
'compensate' for uneven subfloors but, the "V-Groove" is a nuisance to clean
whether you sweep or vacuum. (Note: Retailers will
deny that their
'Micro-Groove is a nuisance ... but,
they will not volunteer to wipe up spilt milk or baby food ... try it.)
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Prefinished Pine 3
— prefinished wood flooring of any species or quality — is not recommended
because it is 'impossible' to install without scuffing, scratching or
denting during the installation process ... try it.
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Notable Quote
"Hardwood is seldom "real" any more ...
it's medium density fibreboard (MDF) or Engineered Wood (chipboard) with a
veneer top layer ... it "ripples" with the sunlight (because it warps). I
wanted real wood
but, you see shiny "hardwoods" everywhere, dogs 'destroy' them and they
don't have 'warmth' ... your Red Pine flooring is an investment ... perfect
for me and my pooch."
In addition, Pre-Finished is usually available
only in 6" and not the wider widths because, top coating one side of the wood
causes the wideplank to 'shrink' on the top (cup) quickly ... so, if you buy
it, buy it 'fresh' and lay it instantly.
Note: Some Retailers offer a "Touch-up
Kits" with each installation? But,
Prefinished Flooring "touch-up" will usually show
damage to the naked eye ... try it.
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Traditional White Pine(s) and Yellow Pine(s) are
not recommended because they are soft (even when professionally finished using
'Diamond-Tough' Resin Floodcoats). See: Janka Rating for Wood
Hardness Northern Ontario Red Pine is rated ~ 1575, Eastern Canadian White
Pine is rated ~ 380.
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X-Link (sister page): Janka Rating for Wood
Hardness:
Isn't Pine a Soft Wood?
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Wide Plank Pine over twelve inches (12"+) inches
in width is not recommended because it is
not available in RED ... it is only available in common pines which, as stated,
are too soft for active lifestyles.
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Note: Northern Ontario RED Pine over twelve
inches (12"+) inches in width is milled as prized timber (only) and reserved for
high-end timbre construction in Europe, Asia and Japan. As such, Northern
Ontario Red Pine over 12" wide is not likely milled for flooring in Canada.
But, if it were available and 'proven', I would have it.
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River
Salvage: Waterlogged, Deadheads, Beachcomber 'Pine'
— reclaimed pine flooring
and, so-called, Antique
Pine Flooring is not recommended
because it is not 'Pine' as it is often claimed to be ... it is a mix of
species
that include the softer White Pine, as well as, 'lost woods' and 'cast-offs' that
are not necessarily 'Pine' and are not compatible in quality and hardness. River Salvage companies proclaim ~ 6% humidity (no shrinkage) which is misleading
because wood will
naturally
acclimatizes itself to its environment which is (for wood) ~ 8-10 humidity under normal
circumstances. Being too dry, Waterlogged Lumber is "Brittle Wood'
(prone to Chaffing)... 'inflexible' — where flexibility
is absolutely necessary — firstly, for proper installations and
secondly, to accommodate
seasonal changes in
humidity and heat.
Brittle
Wood has its place" as baseboards, window frames and in furniture building but, as
wideplank flooring, it is infamous
for cracking, blistering (chaffing) and splintering. Lastly, Brittle Wood can not be used below grade or in unwinterized
buildings.
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Misleading?
People who are Ecologically Conscious or, simply,
dislike myths and half-truths
may develop a 'pet peeve' about Waterlog Salvaged Wood
–
as I have – simply because it is not the 'honest' eco-friendly product it is claimed
to be. Waterlogs are recovered through shallow diving operations in
sensitive waterfront areas. Other 'waterlogs' are not from the water at all
... they are obtained from abandoned sites and mixed in under the 'Historic
Woods' marketing banner and commonly sold at
prices upward of $ 10.00 sf., plus ... delivery, installation,
finishing and taxes.
The
"Eco-Friendly" Floor?
Some
companies go so far as to claim
their salvaged product is 'Green' because they do not cut down a living tree
but, that does not eliminate their Environmental Footprint. River Salvage entails shallow water navigation, spiking, chaining and winching to
'suck' logs out of the depths of mud and up to the water surface. Logs are towed
atop open water and skidded through
'wilderness' shorelines to makeshift truck loading depots. It is a matter of
public record that such 'harvesting' infuriates cottagers and waterfront residents
alike ... especially, when it is done — legally — on their pristine doorsteps.
In my opinion, Waterlogs and Deadheads have a rightful place in
sustaining
the eco-systems
... and old fashioned logistics dictates that powerboats, draglines and
skidding chains do not enhance or 'clean-up' our environment.
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Barnboard
'Pine',
is not recommended because it is not usually milled by professional mills and
it seldom meets "building code" ... use it for decor only and only after
applying a 'fire-retardant' (as may be required to meet your building code and insurance
requirements) for indoor wall applications".
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Wall & Ceiling Board 'Pine',
is not recommended for flooring
because it is not
milled, graded or kilned for flooring. Wallboard and Ceiling 'paneling'
is easily identified by a 1/16" bevel cut into the Top-Side edge of
every board to form a "V-Groove" upon installation. The "V-Groove"
allows ease of installation on 'uneven' walls and offers a 'rustic' feel in
a room. Secondly, and tragically,
Unfinished Wall & Ceiling Board with a 1/16" bevel (used as flooring) can not
be Professionally sanded, stained or TopCoat
FloodCoat Finished. Lastly, where the boards do not have Bottom-Side
Anti-Cup Grooves, the boards must not be 'reversed/turned over' to
create a flat surface thus 'eliminating'
the "V-Groove" ... without a shockingly costly replacement of the floor — in
the near future — with the correct materials which would have been used, by
an informed Client, in the first place.
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Imported
Woods, and particularly, Asian, Russian
and South American flooring is high risk for North American consumers. These
woods appeal to buyers based on Bamboozle ... 'exclusivity' and 'eco-friendly' but, these
products are not 'recognized',
'rated' or 'regulated' by any North American (hardwood or softwood) Industry
Association ... when an imported wood floor becomes a 'problem floor'
consumers seem to have little effective legal recourse. According to lawyers
who represent 'disgruntled' clients and contact me for 'help', I am told, it
is a big problem.
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These are the facts you must know when buying wide plank Red Pine flooring — in
comparison to any
hardwood flooring — as follows:
1)
Most common hardwood flooring today is not solid hardwood ... it has a 3mm veneer top layer, the base of the
'board' may be 12mm MDF or 'engineered' wood which denies the hardwood the ability to
be refinished.
Quality hardwood is solid wood but, it will expose every ding, dent and scratch and may need to be refinished three
or four times over its lifetime. That is inconvenient, costly and poor value. That is not the case with my artistically-distressed solid wide plank Red Pine
flooring.
2) Hardwood
(topcoats) must be sanded down to the bare wood so that the grouting (filler between the
boards) can be removed and replaced before that kind of floor can be refinished ... again, it is
inconvenient, time-consuming and costly. That is not the case with my
artistically-distressed solid Red Pine flooring ... there is no grouting involved
... therefore, should you ever choose to refinish a
Marreed-Prestman
floor, only
the sheen of the 'Diamond-Finish' need be
hand-sanded prior to refinishing.
3) Most common hardwood is pre-finished with 'umpteen' coats of a NANO
(micro-thin spray resin and UVL
cured). Each spray-coat is
so fine that one could not spray their hair with hairspray as fine. These
coatings are cured within seconds under ultraviolet light (UVL) before going
through another instant-coating. (Great for manufacturers, not great for
consumers.) All-in-all, ten
(10) coats of a UV-cured finish
= .006 mil which is only 10% of my multiple on-site flood-coats of
'Diamond-Tough'. Lastly, and most importantly, Epoxy-Cured finishes are about
half as durable as Aluminum Oxide Cured Resin (we use the latter exclusively).
4)
Hardwood flooring may need to be refinished every ten years — if you are
particular — whereas a Marreed-Prestman
floor
may never need doing ... scratches, dings and dents that accumulate over the
years simply add to 'the beauty and value' of my 'Old World' flooring"
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A Do-It-Yourselfer must have the knowledge,
skill and 'building experience' or the willingness
to hire local skilled labour
for floor preparation, wide plank installation and resin finishing ... proper installation and finishing is serious
business when you are contemplating "building
on a vision".

Goodwill Guarantee
A. Marreed & D. Prestman 'Distressed' Red Pine
Flooring Inc.
guarantees each and every new floor that we
install against DEFECT in materials and workmanship for as long as you own
your floor* (non-transferable) provided contract terms are fulfilled.

The 'Authority' of PineFlooring.ca
PineFlooring.ca
has been referred to by lawyers and consumers as "An Authority" by 'connecting'
my knowledge and experience (as illustrated within this website) to further
their legal cases in "Ontario Small Claims Court" in support of their 'Flooring
Battles' with commodity-oriented retailers, unresponsive builders and schlock
contractors. With all due respect, Marreed-Prestman — PineFlooring.ca — is not
intended or represented as
The
'Authority' for the wood industry nor, for disenchanted consumers.
PineFlooring.ca is intended to fulfill my goal of educating and entertaining
Pine Lovers and securing the 'sale' of handcrafted and authentic
wideplank wood
floors ... for a knowledgeable and appreciative audience.

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